A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP.

From Fox News:
The Sunday Telegraph reported that the Obama campaign is working up a "negotiated surrender" that would amount to Clinton's rapid departure in exchange for a post as health and human services secretary in an Obama administration or chief Senate sponsor for Obama-backed health care legislation.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/01/ report-obama-camp-may-offer-clinton-a-ca binet-seat/


"They will give her the respect she deserves. She will get something to do with health care, a Cabinet post or the chance to lead the legislation through the Senate," the strategist told the newspaper.

I don't know if something like that would be enough to encourage Cliton to hasten her departure from the race. Certainly, she'd be a great fit any Democratic President's cabinet, but I think she'd be reluctant to leave the senate for "something to do with health care". If she can't win the presidency this time around, I'd expect her to strive to be Majority leader (although Reid may have other ideas).


Two other names floated for Cabinet positions were former presidential candidate John Edwards as attorney general and Delaware Sen. Joe Biden for secretary of state.

Here here!

And, as expected...


Not on the table, according to a Democratic strategist close to the Obama camp, is a position as vice president


Poll
Should Obama put Hillary in his cabinet?
Yes
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And British (2.00 / 2)

papers know more?

I don't buy it.  I think nothing has been decided.


by TomP on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:39:59 PM EST

Re: And British (none / 0)

hey Tom , where have you been.

nice to hear from you.


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by lori on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:41:52 PM EST
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TALK IS CHEAP.. (1.50 / 2)

don't believe it..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:51:47 PM EST
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Re: And British (none / 0)

Very true. I guess I should have mentioned that its a british paper, so it should be taken with more than a few grains of salt.

I was recently in London, and some of their US political coverage was very tabloid-like.

This one seems plausible to me though.


by smoothmedia on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:43:30 PM EST
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You forgot the most important part... (none / 0)

of the article:  "The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama's reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate."

Are you f*cking kidding us?

Oh, Saint BO...how kind and generous of you - so HRC can now work for NON-universal health care.


by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:02:36 PM EST
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Re: And British (2.00 / 1)

I dont think they would offer or should offer if they are going to offer : anything less than VP for her.  for the following reasons

1. Any other position does not bring her supporters in because they get offered after the GE victory. i.e nothing tagible for her supporters to rely on

2. Clinton would be a fool to take health/human services position or any health care lead because it is not going to pass. There are democratic senators who have already indicated that ( i beleive someone even had a diary about in a few days a ago). why be in charge or get stuck leading the cuase if it is going to fail. that is obama and clinton's version. funny enough the compromise lies somewhere between hers/obama's and mccains version.

3. At the end of this process if she leads in popular votes . I tell you folks --- obama got to think hard about why not give her VP slot.


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by aliveandkickin on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:08:35 PM EST
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Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (none / 0)

As reported on Fox News.

Okay, I'll wait for the real news on this. But I'm not holding my breath.


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by Tommy Flanagan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:44:55 PM EST

Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (2.00 / 2)

She should turn it down if that's what's being offered; she can get more done as a Senator than in HHS.


by davisb on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:45:21 PM EST

Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (2.00 / 1)

Interesting idea!! I'm no clinton fan but the one issue i prefer her to obama is on health care.


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by kbal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:45:58 PM EST

That's a Demotion for her (2.00 / 2)

She should stay in the Senate.


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:51:25 PM EST

Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (2.00 / 2)

There is simply no way that Clinton wants to be secretary of HHS.  It's a bureaucratic job and while she might be a cheerleader for the legislation, she wouldn't be actually crafting it.  And once that legislation passes, she would essentially be in a low-level cabinet slot, tasked with overseeing a bureaucracy and completely removed from the halls of power.

If this really is Obama's offer, its just a ploy.  He has to know that there's no way she accepts.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:51:49 PM EST

Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (none / 0)

Offering Hillary HHS is as good as burying her. Obama and his campaign are still clearly afraid of the Clintons, even after seizing control of the party they will do everything in their power to contain her. As the Telegraph article noted for what its worth "The Obama camp, however, remains nervous about Mrs Clinton's intentions and ambitions"

The Telegraph is highly reputable and the loose talk all seems to be coming from senior members of the Obama campaign who are trying to buy Obama currency abroad by pitching him as the dragon slayer and the new Prince of the Democratic Party. It is a subtle way of trying to tell signal to skeptical foreign leaders that Clinton is done.


by superetendar on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:28:27 PM EST
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I'll wait till I hear this (none / 0)

from a reputable network. She should stay in the Senate, anyway.


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by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:55:08 PM EST

No cabinet position, no VP. (1.00 / 2)

The position for President of Appalachia will remain open for those interested.


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by Firewall on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:55:11 PM EST

You take it so lightly.... (none / 0)

...and yet this is why Obama's going to lose.


by soyousay on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:47:09 PM EST
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As someone typing from Appalachia, (2.00 / 1)

I'll easily state we don't need the bigot vote to win in November.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:59:13 PM EST
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Re: As someone typing from Appalachia, (none / 0)

Generalizing a group of people. Nice.


by soyousay on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:56:47 PM EST
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Maybe Obama could be president of Caucuses then (none / 0)


by ann0nymous on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:32:48 PM EST
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Maybe Obama could be president of Caucuses then (none / 0)


by ann0nymous on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:32:58 PM EST
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Brilliant! (2.00 / 1)

As is often the case, the UK press does a better job reporting US news than the US press. Apparently not being owned by a US corporation, and not being regulated by the US government, gives them a bit more objectivity. :-)

If I had to guess, I would suspect that Obama would never want Clinton as VP. The last thing he would want is someone who has been working to delegitimize him as the VP. And she doesn't clearly help in the general election - the Democrats win NYC no matter who the VP is, so she doesn't have the "home state" to bring along, and while she's strong in some other states she's also loathed by the core of the republican party, which might motivate them in an election where they're otherwise sitting out.

But a Cabinet position could make a lot of sense. It's safer for Obama, and more powerful for Clinton than being a Senator.


by laird on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:30:24 PM EST

Re: Brilliant! (2.00 / 2)

What rock have you been hiding under dear friend. she does not bring anything to the ticket?

with a popular vote lead and two solid demographics she does bring a hell of alot to the ticket. question is if he can win w/o them...


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:37:07 PM EST
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Re: Brilliant! (2.00 / 1)

I didn't say that she didn't bring anything to the ticket. I said that she was a mixed blessing. She's strong in a few states, which is good, and is loathed by the right wing, which might help McCain.
by laird on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:27:23 PM EST
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Re: Brilliant! (none / 0)

In politics hate is reserved for those with power the clintons have lost that and so i doubt the right hates them as they once did.


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by kbal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:44:59 PM EST
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I agree (none / 0)

And the fact that she has been opposed by the most activist elements of the left has given her a bit of grudging respect from the right.

While I don't believe she is no longer the same lightening rod for the right that some thought her to be, I'm not convinced that many voters with serious reservations about Obama would be persuaded to forget those by Clinton in the VP spot or anywhere else in the cabinet.


by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:59:44 PM EST
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Re: Brilliant! (none / 0)

"But a Cabinet position could make a lot of sense. I"t's safer for Obama, and more powerful for Clinton than being a Senator."--Laird

Under no circumstances should she accept a cabinet position. She should sit in the senate, which is infinitely more powerful than any cabinet position save for Treasury and State. Anyway the entire beaureaucracies of these departments are in a mess. The Republicans have left little time bombs at every level to frustrate and slow down any efforts at reform. Most importantly, Hillary would also loose her independence. DON'T DO IT.


by superetendar on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:35:05 PM EST
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Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (none / 0)

Fox news?

I love these guys
http://www.newshounds.us/


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by nogo postal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:36:42 PM EST

Obama should drop out if he wants unity (none / 0)


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by engels on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:54:38 PM EST

Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (none / 0)

...another article full of anonymous sources. Obama has his ideas for Clinton's future role and Clinton has her own. They will negotiate on this and their respective campaign teams and "sources close to" wont know the final outcome until that time.


by dead goat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:02:21 PM EST

Re: A Cabinet seat for Clinton, but no VP. (none / 0)

She's a lot more powerful now than she was before this primary, so I am positive Obama will want to have her as an ally in some capacity.  In the end it all comes down to what she wants to do, but I for one would much rather have her actively involved in helping Obama rather than sitting on the sidelines.


by Xris on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:08:40 PM EST

This seems like rubbing salt in the wounds (2.00 / 2)

Frankly, it would be better if he does not offer her such a position.


by ann0nymous on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:31:55 PM EST

I agree. (none / 0)

No matter how he handles it, there will be perceived injury by some faction, so I'd rather he just cut his losses and move on.

He won't. He will keep trying to reach out to Sen. Clinton's supporters; he'll offer Sen. Clinton something that she either wants or will be able to save face by graciously turning down; and he probably won't ever say anything ugly about how this nominating process has gone.

I wish he would. It would be far more satisfying to me, but that's not the way he does things, and I guess I'm gonna have to get used to that.


by Liberal Monk on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:37:50 PM EST
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If She is not Offered VP.... (none / 0)

then Obama stands a very real chance of losing. HHS
Secretary, what a fucking joke. If he doesn't offer her VP many HRC supporters will be very pissed. If McCain is smart and picks a woman, watch out!
by hypopg on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:48:14 PM EST


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